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2021-09-24

  

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  First, you can only count cards in blackjack, not poker. It’s not cheating, it just gives you a huge advantage slight edge over a casino. They’re in the business of making money, and if you’re counting cards, they’re losing money (if you do it right). Because they’re losing money, they’ll kick you out. It’s only considered “cheating” by the casino, because it’s bad for business. The reason why it’s “cheating” is because blackjack is supposed to be a game of chance. You’re not supposed to know what cards are coming. If you count cards, you can make educated guesses about what cards will be next, so you can bet big if you know you’re probably going to win, or small if you’re probably going to lose.

  Edit: Reality crushes Hollywood.

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  Counting Cards doesn’t give you a “huge advantage” over the casino. Thats kind of a myth from hollywood. The card counting systems a normal person can do gives you a 1 or 2 percent edge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_counting#Expected_profit it still takes a big bankroll and some luck to make money card counting.

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  It’s not actually cheating. Casinos ban the practice however (because they like to keep the odds in their favor), but you cannot get arrested or anything for doing it.

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  but you cannot get arrested or anything for doing it.

  Well, not “not anything” – many casinos will ban you or blacklist you.

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  Poker counting cards isn’t a thing. Black jack is where you would “count cards”. It isnt illegal, but a casino will kick you out for it. You are correct that it is a game of memory. It can no be illegal for you to use your memory, but casinos reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

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  Poker uses a full reshuffled deck each hand so counting cards would provide no advantage.

  Blackjack is a game where card counting can give an edge with a small number of decks, but a larger number of decks makes it less effective.

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  additionally it’s impossible to count cards by basis, because you don’t know most of the cards, no matter what version of poker you are playing. you can only use probabilities, what have nothing to do with counting cards.

  so i think that TV show that OP was watching is… bad. to say the least.

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  How can they tell if you are counting the cards or not? You are doing it in your brain not on the peace of paper, dont you?

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  Most people play Texas Hold’em, in that game, at best you can see 7 out of 52 cards. Since it is a single deck game, “counting” isn’t that great of an advantage. In stud games, you see more cards, but not really enough to get an advantage. With blackjack, you are dealing with multiple deck shoes (say 6) counting the face cards can give you a bit of an advantage, since there are so many cards. Poker? Not so much.

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  There’s was actually a Simpsons episode that touched on this, I believe it was called “Sky Cop” where at the end Homer rants about how it’s not cheating, it’s just really good math. The fact is that if you are taking all their money, they want you out, and they are allowed to tell you to leave, sometimes with force. Also if you are counting then they figure you probably won’t lose, and they won’t make their money back, so they don’t want to comp you or let you stay.

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  Counting cards in poker is pretty much card counting poker pointless. Because poker involves a lot of skill and social cues, its less useful than say knowing the look in the eye of your opponent.

  But it isn’t cheating unless you use a device. If you use your mind its fair game. You probably saw this in fiction, and what counting actually is is poorly understood by most, so the writer can get away with this.

  In blackjack, at a table with 1 to 1 odds against the dealer, you can change vigorish (real odds vs payout odds) from -2% to +2% by counting, which isn’t that high but can lead to coming out on top in the long run. And once again its not illegal unless a device is used, but a casino is a private institution and can remove and ban you at its discretion. Which they card counting poker do for people who count consistently well.

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  Poker dealer here; I have no idea how card counting works in Poker and this is the first time I’ve heard of it. Can someone enlighten me?

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  For the commenters who say counting doesn’t work in poker, why? If I have a pair of twos and someone had a pair in an earlier hand, I know there are noore twos in the deck for me.

  Note, obviously, that I don’t play in casinos. Just with my son, and we shuffle pretty often to avoid counting mattering much.

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  In poker you are supposed card counting poker to shuffle after every hand.

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